Engaging in the issues

This post started out as a comment in response to comments on my previous post clarifying a few issues on KBW. However as it grew in length i decided that it would make more sense for this to be a post on its on. Let there be no accusations about hiding in comments. For those of you who have taken time to engage collectively on this thank you. Those who engaged with suggestions an even bigger thank you.

Before i share my thoughts on the issue of the day let me being by saying that vast majority 99% of KBW members co exist happily. Kenyan and non Kenyan. Male female. Diaspora and home. We enaged with each other in a positive way. We get new bloggers applying to join every day, we get emails saying “I’ve heard about this thing called blogging, help me start”, I’ve even had people approach me in a cyber cafe and say “i hear you blog how does it work”. These past few days may give the impression that we as a webring are going through some kind of crisis. That we are on the brink of collaspe. WE ARE NOT. We are stronger than ever, growing as fast as ever, the number of people reading the aggregator continues to grow, the number of people reading all our blogs continues to grow, together we continue to be recognised as a powerful force online. We are doing well we are going places. Let no one tell you otherwise.

Now to the issues at hand.

I assume we all understand now that Acolyte was not removed from the webring. I also assume that no one holds the KBW Admin Team responsible for him misreading or misinterpreting that email to mean that he has been removed from KBW. You can blame us for many things but we can not and will not be held responsible for someone not bothering to read an email properly.

Next to the issue of membership of KBW and appearing on the aggregator. The debate around this has many interesting factors.

There are calls for a formal criteria to be adopted for the KenyaUnlimited aggregator. A kind of “code of conduct” for the aggregator if you will. Most people who are now pushing for a code of conduct for the aggregator are heavily opposed to a code of conduct for the blog ring and blogs in general. I do not follow the logic there.

Secondly, there have been voices raised based on the assumption that being on the aggregator is an automatic right of being a KBW member and if it is not a right then the Admin Team has done a great disservice by not spelling this out. Again i find that whole assumption illogical. Let us follow that argument through to the end. If there is a right to appear on the aggregator, then by extension there must be a right to for KBW to have an aggregator, if there is a right to have an aggregator and since it has to exist somewhere, then by extension there is a right for the webring to have a website. If there is a right to a website, then if we take this argument to its conclusion then KBW members have a right to web developers, have a right to web programmers, have a right to an Admin Team to facilitate all that. Nonsense. Being a member of the webring entitles you to just that, being a member of the webring. How does appearing on the aggregator become a right when it was not even place for a over a year after the webring was started? If you argue that there is a right to the aggregator, who do you have in mind to faciltate that right? And what steps have you taken to ensure that right remains viable? Older members will remember when the KBW home page was a single page on Mentalacrobatics. And If running KenyaUnlimited.com become too expensive in time and/or money then the home of the webring could go back to where it originally started, as a single page on Mentalacrobatics. Would your rights as a KBW member then be violated? This issue of a right or an assumption that every member would appear on the aggregator is seriously flawed.

Here is the other side of the coin. While many of you express shock that there is no right to appear on the aggregator how many of you have raised the issue of the responsibility that goes with the right? If there is a right to the aggregator there must be by extension a responsibility to the aggregator. I would like to hear you thoughts on what those responsibilities may be.

Another argument doing the rounds is that by removing a blog from the aggregator the Admin Team has infringed on the right to free speech of that blogger, some even say censorship. Again i call nonsense. You are free to write whatever you want on your blog. Your speech can be as free as you want on your blog, how does removing you from the aggregtor infringe on that freedom of speech? How has the Admin Team stopped a blogger from exercising that right to free speech? Or are you saying that removal from the aggregator is equivalent to forceably shutting a blog down? If the Admin Team decided to take the aggregator down completely would all KBW members have had their right to free speech voilated? If so, if you argue that the removal from the aggregator = violation of free speech or censorship then what are the responsibilities that come with that right? Why is there so much noise about that right to this the right to that and none about the responsibilities that come with all these mythical rights? If we take the aggregator down from some serious mantainance as we may have to as it has gone haywire recently, would we have violated anyone’s rights? What responsibilities did they take on to ensure those rights?

There are various add ons to the webring which we as the Admin Team work to generate, KenyaUnlimited.com being the best example, our soon to be launched social responsibility project is another. Tools which we have come up with to help turn the webring into a community. No one talks about the “right to having help pages” but the Help Pages are there, no one talks about the “right to have information on how to start a blog” but the information is there, no one talks about the “right to have an open blog” but the Open Blog is there, no one talks about the right to have the Kaybees, but the Kaybees are there. Why is that some of you feel that you have right to aggregator on kenyaunlimited.com but would not argue that you have a right to the blogging information on KenyaUnlimited.com? Why the double standards. If webring members do not have the right to demand that we write help pages for them to assist them set up a blog, if members do not have the right to demand that the Admin Team organises a Kenyan bloggers’ award, where does the right to appear on the aggregator come in?

So why didnt we as an Admin Team sit down and trash out the criteria to appear on the aggregator?

Firstly it was not practical. The KBW Admin Team through out last year launched a wide variety of tools aimed at enhancing the webring. Many of these tools are no longer in use for a wide variety of reasons. For example, old members may remember a time when a full loaded chat room was available on KBW. It is no longer there mainly because after the initial excitement it was hardly ever and then never used. We also dabbled with launching a forum, and in fact set it up and it even reached the testing stage. The forum was mainly aimed at those who wanted longer discussions and who did not like the informality of the chat room. For various reasons the forum was never launched officially. Mainly due to the time it would take us to moderate and administer it. Another experiment we launched was the KenyaUnlimited.com calender which was too be a central events gathering point where member could share up coming events, birthdays, etc. This was hosted on KenyaUnlimited.com for a while but has now moved to an RSS based service which we have now merged with the aggregator.

This list continues and maybe now you can start to recognise the work the Admin Team does behind the scenes to keep this webring vibrant. It would not have been practical to sit down and work out a criteria for the chat room, for the calender, for the forum, for the help files, for the aggregator because; we did not know if any of these ventures would succeed, we spent our time actually building and testing the applications, we could not predict how they would grow. The chat room used to generate the most traffic for KenyaUnlimited.com, then it generated none, the help pages were the biggest draw for a while, the Kaybess as well. It is true that the aggregator has now grown in importance, i know many of you have bookmarked it directly bypassing the rest of the site (you lazy people you!) but back then we did not know that.

The whole issue if criteria and codes of conduct has never been central to KBW. After all the conditions for membership to the webring itself are deliberately broad. Yet without having a “criteria”, without having a “code of conduct”, without having a all these rules and regulations the webring has worked well. That is not to say anything goes.
Here is an example we debated amongst Admin at the very beginning of this KBW experiment:
Consider a new Kenyan blogger joins the webring, after about a month all they post on their blog is message saying “fuck KBW” and nothing else. Repeatedly over and over again. Would you leave them on the webring? What if a blog written by a Kenyan which was full of pictures glorifying rape (and believe me these blogs do exist) applied to join the webring? We concluded that such blogs would have no place in our community. Basically it is all about common sense. Everything does not go. There has been no code of conduct because we deal with each issue on a case by case basis. We believe that this was the fairest way to proceed. Maybe that will change? Should change? But do you really want a code of conduct? Who will draw it up? Who will administer it? How can it be changed? How can in be removed if bloggers 2 years from now decided they do not want it? For example what is the harsher crime? To post heresay as fact or to ignore the facts at all. Would that be in the code of conduct?

Now various assumptions have been made about this latest case and presented as FACTS. Thinker it is dangerous to present information you have come across as fact without clarifying it. We as an Admin Team and I as a person take personal privacy very seriously. Therefore i will not go into a history of the email between Acolyte and The Admin Team. Even if Acolyte did waiver his right to privacy and posted all the correspondence between him and the admin team over several months this would not be the correct forum for me to debate it. That in itself should let you that is not about one post, this is not about so called nonsensical vndettas by Admin Team members. I do not know if you have been in correspondence with Acolyte but as far as I am aware you have not taken any measures to contact the Admin Team about clarification on any of the so called facts. When responsible bloggers such as yourself, as opposed to muppets who join, leave, insult for 6 months and then surprise surprise want to join again, present information in that way it has the ability to cause unnecessary damage to the ring and the membership. Espically when in the same breath you label your post “On Censorship”. Where was the opportunity for the Admin Team to respond to your so called facts? Are you not by exclude one side of the argument engaging in a form of censorship you post seeks to root out? What you presented are NOT the facts. Again the decision is Acolyte’s if he wishes to display all the correspondence he has had with the Admin Team.

KenyanPundit believes our move to protect KenyaUnlimited.com from disintegrating into yet another Kenyan website full of hate as an “afterthought”. Well KP, in a sense you are more right then you know. KenyaUnlimited was an afterthought, when i started the webring i did not know that it would grow into this lovely monster it is today which could sustain its own website. The Help Pages were an afterthought, after we received many emails asking us for the same information we decided to have that information permanently online. The Admin Team was an afterthought after i realised there was no way i could it all on my own, the Kaybees were an afterthought generated by Spidey idea. Even the aggregator was an afterthought as the best example of how to introduce our members to RSS. KP my point is this, afterthoughts are not necessarily bad. Every post your write on your blog and you write on Mzalendo writes appears on one of afterthoughts. Your seminar at the blogging Indaba on blogging may have used information for the KenyaUnlimited Help Pages which are also an afterthought. We will not an attitude of what is done is done. We will remain proactive we will remain vigilant we will always be looking for ways to enhance the webring and yes many of these will be afterthoughts. For example I have just read a comment by Hash suggesting a Digg type approach where members are involved in decisions. Now that is very interesting, it grew out of a comment and could end up as KBW policy. Yet another afterthought.

The webring is not about the Admin Team, it is not about the founder, it is about all of us together working together. Both need each other. Maybe some of you can not see that. You see the role of the members but not the role of the Admin Team. Which is why it hurts me when attacks on KBW and attacks on KBW Admin Team members are initiated, tolerated and encouraged by KBW members. Many of whom when they were starting out blogging were guided patiently and given advice generously by the very same Admin Team they now attack. The same bloggers who write to complain that the aggregator is down turn around and attack the same Admin Team that is responding to their request of assistance. If 300+ privileged Kenyans + Africans who share a common interest (and yes if you are reading this in front of a computer screen you are privileged) can not come together discuss issues in an open and amicable manner, then what is the point the of the webring? We might as well just have individual blogs with no obvious connection and leave it at that. There are many Kenyan places online where you can go and insult anyone you want 24/7. Why bring that here? And more importantly why do you not think that we will strive to protect this space we have created together? (someone intellectually lazy will inevitably claim that I expect us all to agree all the time I do not have to tell you that that is nonsense.)

If you dislike the Admin Team, if you dislike the vision and values of KBW, if you feel you can not engage with Admin Team without insulting the Admin Team, if you constantly attack the KBW project either on your blog in your comments or on other blogs, if you feel you do not agree with what we are trying to do here, if you feel that we are as Admin Team are not mature, sensible and professional enough to separate our personal feelings from the running of the webring, if you feel that debates we have are worthless, the way we as webring members engage with each other is fake, then what are you doing amongst us? Why not leave and show us how you would do it. Because I am not leaving, i will continue to be involved with the running of KBW to the best of my ability before myself and my God. I believe in can build something POSITIVE AND PROGRESSIVE, yes i do not shy away from repeating those words :-).

Someone emailed me anonymously “threatening” to start a new Kenyan webring a new aggregator. We have never claimed a monopoly on Kenyan Bloggers and for crying out loud the RSS feeds do not belong to us (if they belong to anyone at all). Again we have the old, you will never have thousands of members. Quality not quantity is my vision. If we get quality in large quantities even better!

My challenge is this, when you write about the right to the aggregator share with us your thoughts on the responsibilities to the aggregator. When you criticise the Admin Team for the way in which it deals with issues, present a viable alternative that we can look at. When someone writes trash about the Admin Team, engage us, ask us, talk to us before presenting heresy as fact, do not dismiss the afterthoughts, they drive a lot behind this ring. We work well together and we are all part of one team. That is not to say we should not be unique (for crying out loud do we have to spell out each obvious thing?) who wants a blog ring of Mentalacrobatics, i do not! Working together and sharing common values does not mean we lose our uniqueness. I trust that you have as much faith in your convictions as I do in mine.

(Flippin heck 3000+ words! I didn’t know i had it in me! I am posting this in a hurry as the cybercafe is about to close so apologies for not putting in all the links and any typos. If you made it this far here, well done. Go play KittenWar to chill out :-) )

To be honest, I have tried very hard to read your VERY long post about the shinanigans of what has been happening lately and believe me….it wasn’t easy to make head or tail of what you were trying to say.

I have this to say though from what I could pick up regarding this comment made by Uaridi on Aco’s blog:

“As I had said in Mentals post, and I say this on your blog - as far as I am concerned, this is a non-issue. You were removed from the aggregator - end of discussion.

Please take your fight to someone who wishes to engage with you. I DO NOT.

I have deleted your comment and will delete any further comments you leave on my blog.

What happened to lead by example, etc.?

Despite not making sense of what you just wrote up in here, at least it wasn’t as ‘harsh’ as Uaridi’s comment on Aco’s blog.

Ni maoni yangu tuu! I just hope regular programming and resume soon.

KBW is a nice idea and shall remain so, but all this “hubala” is making it look like shyte, if I may say so.

African Blonde……over and OUT!!!

Well done on the 300+ words. The fingers must be hurting!!! (and no, I have not masstered gloves yet, so I cannot make you a pair.)

In my wandering in the cyberworld, I found several rings I thought of joining because they share some of my interests, but some were so cold - no feeling of fellowiship as KBW. In some rings, there is only an e-mail address and an e-mail, and that is all you get, because the person who set up the ring is too busy to do anything else.

So when I thank you for your hard work, it is because I have seen how other rings operate.

Keep up the good work.

Excuse the typos. I was in the same cyber cafe as you were - there right behind you!!!

Mocha - now you admit you did not read the post and yet you drag comments from another blog, quote them out of context and conclude KBW is looking shyte. Something is look shyte but it is not us. Like i said in the first paragraph, our webring is vibrant and boyant as ever.
If you do not read the post and do not want to engage in the issue there really is no point shit stirring here.
Do not be suprised that there are bloggers out there who care about KBW deeply and who will fight its corner as strongly as you fight your friends corners. There are bloggers who will defend us while you defend those who attack us.
Civilised debate is healthy and welcome. If you feel civilised debate is shyte well you are missing out and perhaps you should look into that.

@Uaridi - thank you again for all your support.

Not wanting to get involved in all this besides by getting informed, Mental I must say that your arguments still leave a lot of questions unanswered. Say for example, I was unaware that being part of the aggregator is an added priviledge even when one is a member of KBW. Usually, priviledges still have criteria to them. And criteria as to losing them as well. You’re still not providing one.

It’s possible that you feel attacked on a very personal level since you put all this together, not to mention that you’re paying an annual fee for hosting no doubt. If you were to step out of that, recognize that there are people out here that feel you on the job well done, but still feel that this Acolyte issue is raising a lot of questions, how would you change your above post? Be aware that I feel that you completely,have the right to kick people in and out as you please. Just communicate this to us clearly.

Mimmz thanks for your comment. I repeat my question if there is an entitlement, a right to appear on the aggregator, what responsibilities do you feel go with that right? You can not have the entitlement the right without any responsibilities. What would you say those responsibilities are?

M.A.

The thing is we are KBW supporters, at least most of us. We agree that you and your team have put a lot for this webring to grow to the size. We have supported you through many detractors and so forth. We continue to be steadfast supporters. Initially we made sure every other member was supported when they joined the ring by commenting on their blogs and so forth.

We members too have contributed to the growth of KBW. We devote time to comment on blogs. We arrange meetups when possible.

However the arrogance showed by specifically Uaridi is disturbing and i guess that is what Mocha was trying to say.

The issue we are raising is

First: It was the ring code

Now it is a different ball game of emails and so forth.

Removing Acolyte from the aggregator might have no effect on his bloggin because many of whom read his blog will do so anyway.

It is in the manner it was done.

But thinking about it maybe you feel you owe nobody an explanation.

Mental….matusi tena ya nini!?!

Where did I sema I didnt read your post? Ebu, calm down and read what I wrote as slowly as I read your post to understand it.

I read it alright…I just couldn’t make head or tail of it. I hope what Shiroh pointed our will make you understand what I was trying to say (thanks for that gal).

At the end of the day, just like Aco, we appreciate the hard work you put into creating the webring and KBW as a whole. Its just a shame individuals don’t lead by example. Hence, pointing out what Uaridi put on Aco’s comment section.

I don’t want this matter to escalate to other levels. I have said what I have to say regarding the matter.

Have a good day!

@Mocha and Shiroh
uairid is member of KBW like Aco, she has opinions on KBW and The KBW Admin team like Aco. If you argue that Aco can say what he wants why cant uaridi do the same? Why the double standards? Should Aco also lead by example or is that resticted to Uaridi? uaridi is not a member of the Admin Team she is a normal KBW like Aco. Why do you have different standards for her. I find it laughable that you complain about Uaridi being harsh while you defend Aco and “free speech” Ha! Kwani you guys thinks harshness is the resevre of a few. and why do you mention uaridi’s comment in this post? What does that have to do with anything? many other commentors left comments why do you not mention them?

Anyway back to the central question which i pose to both of you. If you feel that bloggers have a right to the aggregator do you also feel they have responsibilities to the aggregator? And if so what are those responsibilities?

Mental. Let me first appreciate the hard work you put in the creation and continous maintenance and improvement of KBW. It is a great achievement and you have every right to be proud.

While most people here may not tell you just how much effort you have put in, understand by their concern on Acolyte’s situation just how much they appreciate the KBW.

It is human nature to take things for granted, we never miss the water until the well runs dry.
You humbly feel we can have free use of your aggrregator then I and many others feel priviledged to use it. I believe a priviledge is not a right and if abused it can be taken away. Now unless Acolyte is paying for the service, surely if he abuses it the administrator/owner can expel him.

Mental, Acolyte and all those who have wronged you may never honestly say sorry, but could you find it in yourself to forgive them, then take the next step come up with standard operating procedures that explain your expectations as to whatever content should be on the aggregator. And henceforth expel all those who abuse the service.

I know I have no place in asking you for this, but letting the issue rest by accepting a handshake offered even though not sincerely will leave you a better person.

Thanks,

PS Did I say I highly appreciate your good work ?
Ken

I think that we are starting with a whole lot more commonalities than differences and if I may make a suggestion, here’s what we could do to move it forward.

KBW Membership:
- (Benefit) All KBW members shall be listed on the KBW webring and page. (Responsibilities) All members should display the webring code on their pages. If after 3 reminders from KBW, member fails to comply, the membership is suspended until they put up the code OR shall be revoked and member will have to re-apply as a new member.
- Membership of KBW (and listing on the KBW webring)cannot be revoked because of content of posts.

Aggregator:
I now see your vision of the aggregator as a way for KBW to highlight certain blogs (kinda sorta like how Global Voices picks up a few blogs to highlight) . Up till now, I’ve been looking at it as a daily round-up of all new posts on the KBW blogs. Depending on which way the wind blows, we could do one of two things:-

1) Have all KBW members featured on the aggregator as an automatic benefit of membership. And the aggregator can also feature non-KBW blogs at KBW admin discretion. If we go with this option, then all blogs would automatically be featured on the aggregator and would only pull a blog if (going with Global Voices conditions and your reference to graphic rape photos here) “we are against racism and bigotry, and we are against violence and terrorism. We will avoid linking to bloggers who we think fall under this description.”.

OR
2) Have the Aggregator as a sort of “Admin Picks” in which case, we’d be treating it as an op-ed by Admin and what goes in and out is all editorial judgement.

Discuss.

It seems that common sense is not that common after all huh?

There is a bit of confusion as to what the aggregator really is and the onus is on you to clarify that. So, the suggestions I make are really based on an assumption.

I agree with Mutumia but I see things slightly differently.


If the aggregator is a tool for KBW then each and every single member’s blog has a right to be on its feeds list. Why? I think its not possible to talk about something being for the benefit of the community while its made only available to some members.

If the aggregator is intended to highlight certain blogs, then the admin team has free reign over which blogs can appear there. In this situation, it cannot be called a KBW aggregator.

I prefer the first kind of aggregator because it gives visibility and a true “online meeting place for the diverse Kenyan visions, minds and voices that inhabit cyberspace”. I too had viewed the aggregator as such.

The responsibilities? They are the same as that of being a KBW member. IMHO, the key one is not to infringe on the rights of other KBW members. For instance, a blog that floods the aggregator would prevent other members from benefiting from it and thus infringe on their right to use it. In such a situation, it makes sense to have that blog off the aggregator but still in KBW.

True, not everything goes. A blog that posts hate literature and the like has no place on KBW because such things cannot even be remotely considered Kenyan in any way. So, the criteria is ‘Kenyan’.

Since the criteria is ‘Kenyan’ then a blog that criticises KBW or specific parts of it, no matter how unfarily, still has a place in the community.

This all depends on what the aggregator really is.

I’m away for a couple of days and I return to mayhem!
Hehe! :)
Anyway, here’s a comment I posted on Thinker’s post:

I like the way we try and say this is not about persnalities!
Thinker’s post was about personalities and a pattern of behaviour
Mental’s post was too!
So let’s not hid behind neutrality here - that would be a convenient facade!
Personal attacks are being made on people’s character or conduct, and as one would expect there are responses.
I may not agree with my ‘rela’ Mental on many issues but on this one - I’m with you bro!
Rumour-mongering is rife - not much can be done about that.
Strive for quality and let the chips fall where they will!
My two cents.